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Freud + Jung: The Psyche, The Self, and The Soul [Episode 8]

Updated: Aug 4, 2020

In this week's episode, McCall unboxes the psyche, the self, and the soul.

What are they, and how do they differ, if at all?


In this week's episode, McCall unboxes the #psyche, the #spirit, and the #soul. What are they and how do they differ, if at all?

McCall discusses these topics with two guests, William Ragan, PhD, and Cherish Bolton. They each shed light on mind and self through the lens of Sigmund Freud and Carl Jung, with an overview of Freud's concept of id, ego, and superego versus Jung's archetypes.

McCall shares her own research and thoughts as she challenges listeners to ask the question, "Who the hell am I?"


  • [0:51] All the personality tests

  • [4:39] The driving question of “Who am I?”

  • [6:53] Interview with Dr. Bill Ragan

  • [7:32] Dr. Bill Ragan discusses Freud’s and Jung’s overview of the ego, the superego, and the id

  • [12:08] Discrepancies between Freud and Jung: Archetypes

  • [14:53] Interview with Cherish Asha Bolton

  • [15:49] Cherish discusses adoptees and the fractured self

  • [17:48] Our mind and our soul -- what’s the difference to Jung?

  • [20:13] How Cherish differentiates mind and soul

  • [22:44] How Wikipedia defines “psyche” and “soul

  • [25:57] How Jung defined “psyche” and “soul

  • [27:53] Where does “mind” fit into all this?

  • [30:30] Upcoming episode teasers..


  • [3:20] “Each day that I experiment with shifting my perspective, I uncover and explore and test my own ability to make progress, not perfection... my sense of self both expands as well as becomes immeasurably less important to me. I enjoy the playful experimenting and toying with wonder; the journey, not the destination.” --McCall Bennett-Lawrence

  • [3:49] “It is good to have an end to journey towards, but it is the journey that matters in the end.” --Ursula Le Guin

  • [4:02] “To learn which questions are unanswerable, and not to answer them -- this skill is most needful in times of stress and darkness.” --Ursula Le Guin

  • [5:30] “The self is nothing more than a bundle of perceptions” --David Hume

  • [5:37] “[The self is] merely a center of negative gravity” --Daniel Dennett

  • [26:04] “I've been compelled in my investigations into the structure of the unconscious, to make a conceptual distinction between soul and psyche. By psyche, I understand the totality of all psychic processes, conscious as well as unconscious. By soul, on the other hand, I understand a clearly demarcated functional complex that can best be described as personality.” --Carl Jung, CW 16, par. 522

  • [29:54] “Watch your thoughts, they become your words; watch your words, they become your actions; watch your actions, they become your habits; watch your habits, they become your character; watch your character, it becomes your destiny.” --Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

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